A whiter shade of Palin

Thu, 09/11/2008 - 10:50pm
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We've all been in that situation. You cram hard for an exam, trying to anticipate every possible question. And when the professor asks something you aren't prepared to answer, your stomach drops, the blood rushes from your face, your mind starts racing, and you try not to panic.

That must have been what was going through Alaska Gov. Sarah Palin's brain when ABC News anchor Charlie Gibson, with his benign, professorial air, asked her, "Do you agree with the Bush Doctrine?"

Blink, blink. "In what respect, Charlie?" Palin replied, looking as if she'd never heard the term.

"The Bush -- well, what do you interpret it to be?" said Gibson, stopping himself lest he give the game away.

"His worldview?" Palin said, obviously fishing for clues.

"No, the Bush Doctrine," Gibson prompted impatiently, "enunciated in September 2002, before the Iraq war."

That's when something clicked, and Palin clearly decided to reach for some rehearsed remarks about the president.

"I believe that what President Bush has attempted to do is rid this world of Islamic extremism, terrorists who are hell-bent on destroying our nation," she said, then shifted to comments intended to distance the McCain campaign from Bush.

"There have been blunders along the way, though," she continued. "There have been mistakes made. And with new leadership -- and that's the beauty of American elections, of course, and democracy, is with new leadership comes opportunity to do things better."

Professor Gibson didn't give up, and proceeded to lecture the woman vying to be a heartbeat away from the presidency.

"The Bush Doctrine, as I understand it, is that we have the right of anticipatory self-defense," Gibson informed the candidate, continuing, "That we have the right to a preemptive strike against any other country that we think is going to attack us. Do you agree with that?"

Setting aside Palin's obvious lack of knowledge here, her answer was interesting, because she inadvertently reverted to longstanding U.S. policy, pre-Bush Doctrine: "Charlie, if there is legitimate and enough intelligence that tells us that a strike is imminent against American people, we have every right to defend our country," she said. "In fact, the president has the obligation, the duty to defend." An eminently sensible answer.

Of course, the whole point of the Bush Doctrine was to lay the ideological groundwork for the Iraq war, which was not a preemptive strike but a preventative strike. The United States would act against threats before they were imminent. Once a threat was imminent, Bush officials argued, it was already too late. We couldn't let the smoking gun become a mushroom cloud, after all.

Then Gibson tried to get specific. Did Palin approve of U.S. troops making cross-border attacks into Pakistan?

To which Palin responded: "In order to stop Islamic extremists, those terrorists who would seek to destroy America and our allies, we must do whatever it takes, and we must not blink, Charlie, in making those tough decisions of where we go and who we target."

He tried to move her off her talking points, protesting that she had lost him in a "blizzard of words." Yes or no, Ms. Palin?

She didn't bite. "I believe that America has to exercise all options in order to stop the terrorists who are hell-bent on destroying America and our allies," Ms. Palin said. "We have got to have all options out there on the table."

It's hard to get a sense from the text alone of just how lost Palin looked tonight. Watch the video here to get the full effect. Time to hit the books some more, Sarah.

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Domestic Job of the VP

Lost is a good word as I watched it. She was exactly like a "Nerdy Girl" who had just memorized every paragraph in the notes and wanted to give them back. He could play with her more, and make that clearer. I hope he will do that tomorrow. But there is another thing that we should also address and that's the role of VP in the Senate, How is she going to handle that? Does she know the names of the US Senate commissions and who is heading them now and their views about their jobs and how to handle them? Joe Biden of course doesn't need to convince anyone about that!

Thank you, Mr. Gibson, for

Thank you, Mr. Gibson, for asking some decent questions. Even though they aren't that tough, they're clearly exposing her naivety.

The problem here, which is of course obvious, is that a candidate a heartbeat away from the Presidency shouldn't need to cram for an interview with the press, only to not know about the Bush Doctrine. My goodness, forget FP's list of questions, I doubt she could answer one of them (foreign leaders? She doesn't even know the policies of our leader). No, I'd love to just hear her answer to what she thinks changed in our foreign policy after 9/11. Forget what she would do differently. Clearly she has no clue - no clue about what's been going on in the world since 2001 beyond those "digestible bites" of briefings she's been getting for the last two weeks. For more evidence, see Ms. Palin's statements on Russia.

And she has the nerve to say, in the same interview, that she's ready to be President? Unbelievable.

For the n th time Ms Palin

Yes or No.

Should had taken one more week of deep study...America loves you, there was no need to rush. Another le maverick decision to rush Palin to an interview.

Do us all a favor, subscribe to Foreign Policy Magazine Mrs Palin today.

Obama Doctrine

Taken from the WaPo (Thursday, August 2, 2007):

"Democratic presidential candidate Barack Obama issued a pointed warning yesterday to Pakistani President Pervez Musharraf, saying that as president he would be prepared to order U.S. troops into that country unilaterally if it failed to act on its own against Islamic extremists."

Look like Palin agree with Obama who agree with Bush.

By the way, the question about "Bush Doctrine" was very vague. It could refer to a lot of different things. The question should have referred to the "1% doctrine". I guess that the vast majority of Americans would also ask for some context if somebody ask them "what about the Bush doctrine".

Give me a break

First, Pakistan border strikes are an issue of sovereignty, sure, but not really a question of the Bush doctrine. Obama has consistently said that he is and was always for the war in Afghanistan, which has spilled over into the border region.

Second, give me a break and stop making excuses to defend Palin. Regardless of how "vague" a question is, a major candidate has to be expected to know what the "Bush doctrine" refers to. While there are technically several components to it, the main part that has been publicized is the right to attack against threats which are not yet imminent, ie the justification for going into Iraq.

But forget that. I would have been happy with an answer that simply conveyed Palin's understanding that the Bush doctrine was originally the justification for going to war (I wouldn't even care if she had mentioned the Afghanistan "for or against us" or the Iraq preemptive part, pick one). The fact that she hadn't even heard the term is what's appalling. Remember, she asked if "Charlie" was referring to Bush's worldview. She had never heard the term, and that's what's scary, not that she asked for clarification, which as you say, we all might do.

Worldview

The Bush doctrine is a "worldview", it refers to a "worldview" and she specifies that mistake were made by the Bush's administration in that regard.

Sending troops in Pakistan unilaterally, to protect American interests is a direct hint to the Bush doctrine. It’s a preemptive strike.

There's nothing in that interview saying that she never heard the term. It was simply a matter of context regarding the question. Using "Bush doctrine" is shorthand that could mean a lot of things from preemptive strike to multilateral negotiations with North Korea and economic sanctions again Iran. Again, referring to "the preemptive doctrine" would have been more accurate.

Let's face it outside scholar circle, the term "Bush doctrine" mean a lot of things... if anything...

Ask Americans what they think of the "Bush Doctrine" and many of them would ask some clarification. Ask them what they think of the "preemptive doctrine" and you will have specific answer.

The real mistake would have been answering "yes" to the question.

But my point is that you're

But my point is that you're still giving her too much credit. It may be a "worldview" but the point is that she didn't know what is was, and she's not your average American, she's running to be our #2. She needs to be a scholar! And besides, I bet "many" Americans would know what the Bush doctrine was.

And may I add, the fact that

And may I add, the fact that the, erm, opinionated felow, below me can search wikipedia and come up with the definition of the Bush doctrine is decent, if not conclusive, evidence that therm has entered the mainstream. She needs to know.

ummm, no

the bush doctrine is not a "vague" concept and it does not refer to "a lot of different things." it means preventative war and it stands in contrast to traditional interpretations of international law. the 1% doctrine is a journalistic term with little significance to international law. unlike the bush doctrine, the 1% doctrine originated earlier and is attributed to cheney. it is completely different and therefore should not have been referred to in gibson's question. palin should have been able to answer this question.

as usual the haters come out to play

Can someone direct me to an intensive ambush interview that Charlie Gibson did with Barack Obama, aka Barry Soetoro? OK how about any interview that is not a puff piece and where he has the questions ahead of time? No? OK how about any interview where Barry has to answer tough questions from an interviewer who is out for a "gotcha?" No? Hmmm. (no Bill O'Reilly does not count, as he seems to be too busy trying to get the top spot at CBS)

First it wouldn't matter what she said, Gibson and no doubt FP and the hate collective would have said she flubbed it. Second the question was VERY VAGUE.

This from Wikipedia (a very left wing site, that no doubt is a fan of the media -- and FP's -- bashing of Sarah Palin)

The Bush Doctrine is a term recognized by some to describe various related foreign policy principles of United States president George W. Bush, enunciated in the wake of the September 11, 2001 attacks. The phrase initially described the policy that the United States had the right to treat countries that harbor or give aid to terrorist groups as terrorists themselves, which was used to justify the invasion of Afghanistan.[1] Later it came to include additional elements, including the controversial policy of preventive war, which held that the United States should depose foreign regimes that represented threat to the security of the United States, even if that threat was not immediate (used to justify the invasion of Iraq), a policy of supporting democracy around the world, especially in the Middle East, as a strategy for combating the spread of terrorism, and a willingness to pursue U.S. military interests in a unilateral way.[2][3][4] Some of these policies were codified in a National Security Council text entitled the National Security Strategy of the United States published on September 20, 2002.[5]

Hardly a Bush friendly site, and even IT can not decide what the Bush Doctrine is or is not.

It seems odd that FP (not so much the readers of this blog) don't know about the National Security Council ( http://www.whitehouse.gov/nsc/index.html ), they have the minor function of advising the President on matters of National Security. Didn't Barry O say he would seek their counsel on everything from what color to paint our bombs to when to use them? YES! he did. Strange that none of you think that is weak. Not really, I know many of Barry Backers hang out here.

What the NSC says the "Bush Doctrine" is:
It is the policy of the United States to seek and support democratic movements and institutions in every nation and culture, with the ultimate goal of ending tyranny in our world. In the world today, the fundamental character of regimes matters as much as the distribution of power among them. The goal of our statecraft is to help create a world of democratic, well-governed states that can meet the needs of their citizens and conduct themselves responsibly in the international system. This is the best way to provide enduring security for the American people.
They even have a list of what it is:

  • Champion aspirations for human dignity;
  • Strengthen alliances to defeat global terrorism and work to prevent attacks against us and our friends;
  • Work with others to defuse regional conflicts;
  • Prevent our enemies from threatening us, our allies, and our friends with weapons of mass destruction (WMD);
  • Ignite a new era of global economic growth through free markets and free trade;
  • Expand the circle of development by opening societies and building the infrastructure of democracy;
  • Develop agendas for cooperative action with other main centers of global power;
  • Transform America’s national security institutions to meet the challenges and opportunities of the 21st century;
  • and Engage the opportunities and confront the challenges of globalization.

Oh, and I don't remember anyone (lefty journos specifically) complaining when Blair justified Kosovo with essentially the same argument. http://www.number10.gov.uk/Page1297 . Oh my bad, a liberal was in charge, so it's ok. It was called the "Blair Doctrine" back then.

Going into Kosovo, and Somailia were all "preventative" actions. Well that is how they were sold to us. "We have to save these people from their horrible fates!" Maybe that is why you people are upset, we are saving ourselves; and that just ticks you off, since you feel we are not worthy of being saved. Or maybe it's your pathological hatred for Bush. Most likely it's both.

Chucky Gibson was frustrated that he couldn't get to Palin; and that he would not get a "gotcha" moment. No President makes decsions without consutling the experts. Beyond that she sure as he** sounded more sensible than Barry has to date. Then again he never has to provide substance.

Oh, are we going to see the Blacker shade of Barack? Somehow I don't think we will see that headline.

~ Mark
http://markljackson.net

You're ranting. A few

You're ranting.

A few points:
From the About section-
"Wikipedia is a free, multilingual, open content encyclopedia project operated by the United States-based non-profit Wikimedia Foundation. Its name is a portmanteau of the words wiki (a technology for creating collaborative websites) and encyclopedia. Launched in 2001 by Jimmy Wales and Larry Sanger, it attempts to collect and summarize all human knowledge in every major language.

As of April 2008, Wikipedia had over 10 million articles in 253 languages, about a quarter of which are in English. Wikipedia's articles have been written collaboratively by volunteers around the world, and nearly all of its articles can be edited by anyone with access to the Wikipedia website."

From the main page-
"Welcome to Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia that anyone can edit."

Second: Yes, the "Vast Right-Wing Conspiracy" thing came from the Clintons, but you don't see the parallel when you decry a "liberal media bias" or moan about "Angry Liberals"?

My favorite part in all of this was you keep calling us "hate mongers" and the "hate collective", or just plain "haters", then you turn around and go for the ad hominem attacks. Way to elevate the public discourse there.

Whoa

Were they able to get permission, the Obama campaign would do well to run the "Bush Doctrine" clip as a campaign ad. No commentary--just the clip.

PublicOrgTheory

Do you even know what

Do you even know what Wikipedia is? A site that is freely edited by it's users (and NOT by editors, commentators, or IT professionals) is NOT a left-wing site. Another vast, angry-liberal conspiracy, huh?

Face it, bud...the media doesn't have a liberal bias, LIFE does.

Hello Hater, You must havet

Hello Hater,

You must havet studied at the Charlie Gibson school of haughty arrogance. You clearly have no clue about wikipedia.

The site IS NOT freely edited. It is controlled by a left wing "better," and it is common for the Daily Kos-ma-noughts to be the most active there. Why else would it take three days of hate filled edits before Sarah Palin's page was locked was locked? It is still less than nuetral, as is the entire site.

Don't you lefties tire of the same old personal attacks? It's the Hillary and Dean and the Dems who scream about Conspiracies. For people who think they are so smart; you sure lack anything intelligent to say.

As for Life having a left-wing bias, so what? Not that it does, but so what? since lefties pander to the greed of others, then I suppose it's really NOT lefty to be a lefty as you are doing what is in your best interests. Wish I could see you stew on that. Guess that's why you guys keep losing elections.

Only the most ignorant, or pathalogical liars can not see the media bias.

~ Mark
http://markljackson.net

Just some advice

Generally, written material is considered much more convincing with proper spelling and punctuation.

When words are misspelled people begin to wonder about the age or education level of the poster, therefore detracting from the original poster's intended point.

If only Gibson knew what the

Bush Doctrine is. That's probably the most embarrassing part of the interview, where Gibson realizes that although he asked the question, he himself doesn't actually know what the Bush Doctrine is.

The Bush Doctrine was not "we have a right to defend ourselves from a threat". Good morning, Mr. Gibson. The Bush Doctrine was founded on the idea that if you harbor terrorists, and help terrorists, you will be treated as the terrorists.

Woops. Time for Mr. Gibson to hit the books, as Blake might say...

That was the original

That was the original version. As some have noted, it has since expanded to include the preemptive defense part, which has become the mainstream definition. So, he gets some points, but not all the points, for his explanation.

Even Kirsten Powers noticed:

Even Kirsten Powers noticed: http://www.nypost.com/seven/09122008/postopinion/opedcolumnists/abcs_bungles_128726.htm

The biggest concern is that she appeared to not know what the Bush Doctrine is. There are, in fact, different definitions of it - but all have had an impact on this nation. One hopes Palin is more up to speed than she seemed.

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On the other hand, Gibson sometimes seemed to "know" things that just aren't so.

and more...

Her responses to Gibson's cross-examining seemed canned and rehearsed, a little like the answers you might give in a tough college interview. But that may be a result of the ham-fisted editing - which seemed to cut her off mid-thought on many answers. ABC should release the entire, unedited interview, so that Americans can judge her more fairly.

Just more of the smae from the arrogant elitists in the media. I guess FP is not as smart as THEY think, either.

Despite Gibson’s insistance that she’d said things that she clearly hadn’t, Palin was polite and seemed unrattled.

It's the latter that is sending Gibson and his liberal buddies up the wall. By the time you jokers figure out that you are destroying your chances this year, it will be over; again.

~ Mark
http://markljackson.net

Krauthamer coined phrase

Just some FYI, Charles Krauthamer agrees with me. He must be a really smart man!

http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn/content/article/2008/09/12/AR2008091202457.html

Oh anh he coined the phrase "Bush Doctrine."

~ Mark
http://markljackson.net

pure distortion...

conservative columnists can try all they want to spin a new vague meaning of the bush doctrine, but we in the IR/IL community have had a clear understanding of precisely what the "bush doctrine" is for many years now. simply put, the bush doctrine is the text of the 09/2002 NSS document (http://www.whitehouse.gov/nsc/nss/2002/) - it's preventative war. indeed, even the wiki article made that fact clear until conservative activists (ZOMG LIBERAL MEDIA WIKIPEDIA!!!11!1) started changing the bush doctrine wiki page after the palin interview. want proof? go read the wiki page for bush doctrine from two days ago. the conservative strategy post-palin interview is to spin the meaning of the bush doctrine to the level of meaninglessness. it's better to cut the spin and stop distorting reality. the bush doctrine will go down in history with a very precise definition just like the truman doctrine and carter doctrine, etc before it.

Gobson/Palin

being an ordinary middle class person that is smart but does not know all the answers does not mean she can't learn. Liberals believe that being an elitist is a saving grace. Middle class Americans did a splendid job forming this country. Truman and Lincoln did pretty well also.
Do not judge...yet.

Non-Elite origins

Sure, even a peanut farmer from Georgia can... oh, wait. Bad example.

Thankfully she didn't make it

Obviously not well prepared for such deep-deep questions; I was wondering what would have happened if McCain was President and she was in the Vice Presidency. Well, seriously though: we can give her a break, how on Earth she could possibly know about the Bush Doctrine.
(Niki from London)